Armagh vs Monaghan 1st Round Ulster Championship

[corn02]

It's interesting that you include MOR and give Dyas a roving role. If McKeever was to play a sweeper then I think we could, again, see too many in defence. I don't see anything to fear by going man for man against Monaghan and I think if the Donegal and Down games are anything to go by, a more positive attacking display may reap dividends. If MOR was fit then he may be able to offer more than B Mallon (not slating his efforts at all). Could be a day for MOR alone to be given the dirty ball seeker role.

I meant I was surprised to see Swift, not Mackin, take as much criticsm on the GAABoard.

Imposerous, was it Vincey up against Meaney? He only last 40 seconds or something I think against Laois before gtting sent off? He did well against Laois last year though.

I have always championed the case for one defensive half forward, but I felt the three played last year was the undoing oof us. With Finn Mo and Duffy as our half backs, I feel ther need for ONE defensive hf is even more neccesary. Mackin has done a fairly decent job, I just would rather MOR in there. I also want Swift to start.

The Dyas roving role was just one that I was thinking about earlier. Possibly he could come into the hf line, I don't think anyone in the hb line can be replaced, they've been outstanding. He'll probably not start but I wouldn't mind him floating between the two front lines. I suppose it's probably one of those things that would have needed testing in the League.

One thing for Vincey, he is decpetively fast, but I'd still put Donaghy on him and let Mallon pit his wits against Tommy. I haven't seen or read much about Monaghan this year so i'm not certain how they are faring. If I was McEnanaey I'd be playing Hughes at CHB.

[x-armagh-x]

I Think that corn02 would like to see more Dromintee men on the Armagh team against Monaghan, if he thinks that Mcavoy should do goals and MOR in the half forward line, and Dyas playing in the FF line but acting as a third midfielder, if im guessing correctly! lol

Definitely Hearty should start in the Goalmouth, with Mallon, Donaghy and Shannon in the FB line, with Finn Mo, McKeever and Duffy in the HB Line, Vernon and Toner operating in the middle, with Swift, AK and Dyas possibly on the "40", with B Mallon, Mc Donnell and Henderson in the FF line!

I think that Woodsy should be the least of our worries, i could see Finlay being more of a threat in the Forward line, which i would expect Mckeever to be marking him. I put Dyas in there because he'll add muscle to the midfield area, which he cover vernon when he makes his penetrating runs from midfield!

[Suzy]

I Think that corn02 would like to see more Dromintee men on the Armagh team against Monaghan, if he thinks that Mcavoy should do goals and MOR in the half forward line, and Dyas playing in the FF line but acting as a third midfielder, if im guessing correctly! lol

Definitely Hearty should start in the Goalmouth, with Mallon, Donaghy and Shannon in the FB line, with Finn Mo, McKeever and Duffy in the HB Line, Vernon and Toner operating in the middle, with Swift, AK and Dyas possibly on the "40", with B Mallon, Mc Donnell and Henderson in the FF line!

I think that Woodsy should be the least of our worries, i could see Finlay being more of a threat in the Forward line, which i would expect Mckeever to be marking him. I put Dyas in there because he'll add muscle to the midfield area, which he cover vernon when he makes his penetrating runs from midfield!

This players almost sounds like a Nintendo team the different roles they're gpoing to play. There's too much fannyiong around with new roles.
Get the ball and put it over the fecking bar!!!!!!

[DóireNúis]

im rippin its in casement:
1. clones is just a stones through away from us and ye wud be home in good time.

2. i was depending on clones and being home in good time as i have an exam the next day.

looks like i will be watching from home or the pub

[raphael]

Monaghan is in the Republic Of Ireland albeit Clones (part of County Monaghan) is close to our border particularly close to County Fermanagh.
That said Monaghan is part of the province of Ulster and therefore is eligible to compete each year for the Anglo Celt trophy.
Armagh on the other hand is in Northern Ireland and likewise West Belfast.
As you are aware people from Armagh and West Belfast would necessarily share the same sorts of things in common, from road signs to international dialling code and even education, employment, health services, government etc

Your probably right that Clones is closer to Armagh than Belfast.
However one could argue a lot of things why an Armagh fan might choose to go to Belfast.
A lot of the Armagh players would certainly opt for Belfast as they were educated there, lived there and maybe still live there. They certainly use the modern leisure and fitness suites located there.

Your right, there was a myth that Clones was favoured by a some in Armagh (mostly in the extreme south of county Armagh) because it was viewed as similar border territory where they might find solace. They were sadly mistaken.
In truth Clones and Monaghan people are rightly only interested in their own pockets.
Few ever venture north apart from those in more recent times forced by high prices at home to buy some cheaper goods here.
Needless to say they have already planned to do their shopping on match day.

What did West Belfast people do for us in Armagh?
Some may say not much and yet if you ponder a moment you will like I doubt if they ever truly could be repaid.
Taking the Ulster Final away from Casement was like taking a young child from its mother.

Now you may think the match being in Casement, would not help Monaghan.
You too would be sadly mistaken.
The result will certainly be on the basis of what happens on the Casement grass.
but there are those who would want that grass cut in one direction.
Of course those Monaghan fans will not complain.
A match win and a car load of goodies. Not a bad day's work.

Will Mickey Harte bow to them too or will he stand up to them like Damien Cassidy did last year (not once but twice). Don't hold your breath.
We shall find out at the Ulster Final in Croke Park. Yes Croke Park (More Cents).

With friends like that, Monaghan just need to turn up.
Sam is on his way.



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Originally Posted by Rufus

Go on ahead, I'll bite. Geographically speaking, Clones is closer to Armagh than West Belfast - why are the people of West Belfast considered 'our own people', and those of Clones are not? The only explanation can be that you are an Antrim man!

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Originally Posted by raphael

Glad to hear the match is at Casement
The traditional home of Ulster GAA and the Ulster Final.
Also it will bring much needed revenue into the west of the city.

Nobody should even contemplate going to a match in Clones
changing currency, travelling into the back of beyond.
But not only that, turning our back on our own people.
Thankfully there has been a change of heart by the regime in Armagh
who now recognise their friends live in West Belfast.

There is no need now, not that there ever was, any need for the Ulster Final to be anywhere other than at Casement. That is where our people are. That is our city.
Let us support it.

[AFS]

raphael

[wiggy]

Monaghan is in the Republic Of Ireland albeit Clones (part of County Monaghan) is close to our border particularly close to County Fermanagh.
That said Monaghan is part of the province of Ulster and therefore is eligible to compete each year for the Anglo Celt trophy.
Armagh on the other hand is in Northern Ireland and likewise West Belfast.
As you are aware people from Armagh and West Belfast would necessarily share the same sorts of things in common, from road signs to international dialling code and even education, employment, health services, government etc

Your probably right that Clones is closer to Armagh than Belfast.
However one could argue a lot of things why an Armagh fan might choose to go to Belfast.
A lot of the Armagh players would certainly opt for Belfast as they were educated there, lived there and maybe still live there. They certainly use the modern leisure and fitness suites located there.

Your right, there was a myth that Clones was favoured by a some in Armagh (mostly in the extreme south of county Armagh) because it was viewed as similar border territory where they might find solace. They were sadly mistaken.
In truth Clones and Monaghan people are rightly only interested in their own pockets.
Few ever venture north apart from those in more recent times forced by high prices at home to buy some cheaper goods here.
Needless to say they have already planned to do their shopping on match day.

What did West Belfast people do for us in Armagh?
Some may say not much and yet if you ponder a moment you will like I doubt if they ever truly could be repaid.
Taking the Ulster Final away from Casement was like taking a young child from its mother.

Now you may think the match being in Casement, would not help Monaghan.
You too would be sadly mistaken.
The result will certainly be on the basis of what happens on the Casement grass.
but there are those who would want that grass cut in one direction.
Of course those Monaghan fans will not complain.
A match win and a car load of goodies. Not a bad day's work.

Will Mickey Harte bow to them too or will he stand up to them like Damien Cassidy did last year (not once but twice). Don't hold your breath.
We shall find out at the Ulster Final in Croke Park. Yes Croke Park (More Cents).

With friends like that, Monaghan just need to turn up.
Sam is on his way.



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Originally Posted by Rufus

Go on ahead, I'll bite. Geographically speaking, Clones is closer to Armagh than West Belfast - why are the people of West Belfast considered 'our own people', and those of Clones are not? The only explanation can be that you are an Antrim man!

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Originally Posted by raphael

Glad to hear the match is at Casement
The traditional home of Ulster GAA and the Ulster Final.
Also it will bring much needed revenue into the west of the city.

Nobody should even contemplate going to a match in Clones
changing currency, travelling into the back of beyond.
But not only that, turning our back on our own people.
Thankfully there has been a change of heart by the regime in Armagh
who now recognise their friends live in West Belfast.

There is no need now, not that there ever was, any need for the Ulster Final to be anywhere other than at Casement. That is where our people are. That is our city.
Let us support it.

Are you serious Raphael??? Rufus, I think you were caught hook line and sinker when you took that bite,lol. He's winding you's up!

[the applecart]

Looking forward to this, a great chance to make amends for the disaster in the qualifiers last year, and in fairness to Cavan and Fermanagh, win this and we should be looking at an Ulster final.

On the talk about who will be marking who, everyone is talking about Freeman, Woods and Finlay, but I think Conor McManus will be one of the biggest dangers here. He'll need close attention as he's playing serious stuff whenever I see him and is looking like one of the best attacking prospects in Ulster, he seems to be taking over the scoring burden from Freeman.

[SHIPWRECK]

I think that time wise it will be just as easy getting home from Casement as it will from clones and with so many games in Clones over the years its always nice to have a change of scenery. (although i thought that last week and realised it was the worst venue i had ever been to!)

What does worry me slightly is that by Armagh not wanting to 'concede home advantage to Monaghan' they have taken it to Casement. firstly - is clones not as much 'Home' to Armagh as it is Monaghan, given the amount of games we have played (and won) there over the years? And secondly - does this not smack a little of fear? (not actual fear but you know what i mean) with the way the team are playing coupled with what is surely a chance of revenge we should be happy to play the game in Bantys back garden if necessary!
Im not criticising the Co Board or management just thinking that it might have sent a stronger message to play the game in Clones. ie doesnt matter where the game is - we'll take you!

[Rufus T Firefly]

raphael, believe it or not, it crossed my mind it was you!!

Good luck with the new laptop, and welcome to the world of GAA discussion!!